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Carbide


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Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
« on: April 20, 2017, 10:02:33 AM »
  •  Looking at the Yamaha Apex RTX.
    Love the idea of the R1 based motor. Love the lack of smelly clothes. No more adding oil at gas stops.
    Wicked power. Lighter weight nowadays. Engines will last forever. Longer than the chassis obviously if ridden hard.
    The Apex RTX is for the bumpy stuff. Fox Float shocks.
    My ditch banging days are over. Just want reliability and power.

     Anybody here have any experience with these?
    I got nuthin'

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #1 on: April 20, 2017, 12:00:36 PM »
  • I have ridden that sled. Really a 2 stroke is the only way to go. The new sleds are way better for at least the last decade. A tank of oil can last 2 days. Or maybe even 500-600 miles. That's a lot of tanks of gas without adding more oil.
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    Black flag me if you want, catch me if you can.
    I bought it to ride. Not to look at.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #2 on: April 20, 2017, 12:11:14 PM »
  • "Love the lack of smelly clothes".... Whaaaaaaaaat!?  Why go with the fat pig when you can go lighter, more nimble, easier to get unstuck... Anything new should be reliable and powerful I'd bet. A bottle or two of oil is easy to bring with on trips
    But I don't want greeting cards. I want to get fucked up on trampolines
    Pretty much everything that DVS_DAN said is correct.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2017, 12:45:18 PM »
  •  Lol. Fat pig huh. Maybe compared to the 600 class.

    This from Snow Tech magazine.


    "Riders are starting to appreciate the fuel economy, smooth operation, wide powerbands, lack of injection oil (cost and smell) and the all-around consistency of the turn-key operation.

    And how about that weight thing? Consider this; take the big iron from everyone, an Apex, a Mach Z, Fusion 900, ZR 900, equip similarly, fill with gas and oil and they all pretty much weigh the same. Yep. At least when you add the features to the 2-strokes that come standard on the 4-strokes, like electric start.
    Point is, in this class, weight is no longer a disadvantage. Sure, compared to 2-stroke small-block twins (600s and 700s) itís a different story, but up here in big-power land the issue is moot."

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2017, 01:37:45 PM »
  • Boy are they full of shit.
    You can say they are faster out of the hole. But when you are out of that hole. That pile that made that hole is in your face fast and hard.
    They don't smoke any more and the don't smell either. All that is 2 decades ago.
    And wait until it needs repair. You will sell it for sure then.
    Ask Yamaha what you have to do to change the oil filter. LOL. You won't be laughing anymore. This goes for all of them.
    That big ass motor still has to fit in that same size sled.
    And they are a lot slower big time.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2017, 02:07:50 PM »
  •  Thanks for your opinions.
    If I really cared what people thought about what I rode I wouldn't have my V-Rod.  I've surprised many a sport bike guy by hanging with them...even in the twisties. No problemo.
    And this from a guy that owns several sport bikes.

     I have had many 2 stroke sleds. The last sled I had was a 2012 Polaris.
    Clothes still reeked. Hardly decades ago. Lol.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #6 on: April 21, 2017, 09:09:21 AM »
  • And how about that weight thing? Consider this; take the big iron from everyone, an Apex, a Mach Z, Fusion 900, ZR 900, equip similarly, fill with gas and oil and they all pretty much weigh the same. Yep. At least when you add the features to the 2-strokes that come standard on the 4-strokes, like electric start.
    Point is, in this class, weight is no longer a disadvantage. Sure, compared to 2-stroke small-block twins (600s and 700s) itís a different story, but up here in big-power land the issue is moot."
    They're wrangling them into a similar weight somehow?! I love technology!  It's getting close to the 2 stroke vs 4 stroke dirt bike argument.  I like the lower cost to rebuild the 2 strokes since I seem to blow up everything.


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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 10:18:04 AM »
  •  It's basically an R1 motor, but they don't rev as high as one. I'm on my third R1, and had a FZ1 for 8 years.
    I've put prolly over 100,000 miles on those engines. Never needed a rebuild.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 04:54:24 PM »
  • It's rare I say this (LOL) but I agree w/Vince on some of his points.  I grew up on 2 stroke Polaris sleds & will always prefer them.

    Maybe decades ago was an exaggeration but like he said the smell really isn't much of a factor anymore & the reliability is way better these days!!
    Something I noted in what Yamaha said is that weight was not a factor if similar add on's were put on the 2 stroke that were standard with the 4 strokes.

    Sure the weights will be similar but the "fun factor" with the 2 strokes & the torque they have off the line thru pretty much the entire RPM range is well worth it IMHO.
    The thing with wight is those add on's are ones that a lot of people don't necessarily add to sleds in general so a 2 stroke will always be lighter than a 4 stroke.

    My thoughts on that are with how easy newer sleds start there isn't a need for a starter & in a lot of cases they don't weigh enough to justify the weight of reverse.
    Now granted those things are not as heavy as they used to be.....I just don't feel the need for them on a newer sled.  Now if I could just afford/justify getting one!!


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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 08:00:41 AM »
  •  I've had 5 different 2 stroke sleds and I have a YZ 250 and a Banshee. Even a weed wacker.  :thumbup:
     I have nothing against 2 strokes. But the 4 strokes are plenty fast, plenty comfy on the trails, and reliable as hell.

     If I wanted another ditch banging, tight twisty woods railer, yeah I'd be all about another smoker.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 08:34:11 AM »
  • Until it breaks. Then ask a mechanic what he thinks about it.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 08:37:22 AM »
  • It's rare I say this (LOL) but I agree w/Vince.

    Agreed.


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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 08:40:25 AM »
  • Almost weigh the same. Not. 4 strokes have trannies. 2 strokes don't. And for 2018 no more electric start motors for weigh.
    Just to be clear 4 strokes are not faster than a 2 stroke of the same size.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 10:28:03 AM »
  • Aaaaaannndd I'm out of this conversation.   :lol:

    It comes down to preference...if it's what you're into then I'm sure you'll like it either way.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 10:47:45 AM »
  •  Weighs a little more. Big deal. As I mentioned I'm not ditching the thing.  Might break. So might your car. Can't live life afraid of everything.
    Plenty powerful/fast. Can someone 2 strokes beat it? Yeah. Big deal. I'm not buying a race sled.
    They sell plenty of them. Can't be all bad.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #15 on: April 22, 2017, 09:09:38 PM »
  • Sidewinder Turbo!

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #16 on: April 22, 2017, 09:59:28 PM »
  • Sidewinder Turbo!

    -John

    I can tell you first hand it doesn't beat my 2005 Mach Z.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #17 on: April 23, 2017, 01:56:34 AM »
  •   Again...I aint interested in racing. There's always somebody faster. That's not important to me anyways.
    Sure everybody likes a good drag across a lake. But the public trails are no place to show how big your balls are.
    I know plenty of guys on 4 stroke sleds that have just as much fun on their sleds as guys on 2 strokes.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #18 on: April 23, 2017, 08:13:10 AM »
  • They still make air cooled sleds as long as your just putsing.
    Snowmobiles are about performance and they always will be.
    And I wasn't talking about racing. But when you have HP you don't need much throttle to have fun.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #19 on: April 23, 2017, 08:57:30 AM »
  •  Lol...putsing? 150 horsepower isn't fun performance? Ok then.   :lolspit:

    Look. I get it. You hate 4 stroke snowmobiles. You are not hurting my feelings. I was just curious if anyone here had one.
    Keep bashing all you want. It's a public forum. It's good to actually see some activity in this place!

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    « Reply #20 on: April 23, 2017, 09:21:37 PM »
  • It's good to actually see some activity in this place!

    Damn right!!

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 02:06:04 AM »
  •  Bought a 2007 Apex RTX with only 2,200 miles on it. Like brand new. Paid nearly a quarter of what one costs new.
    So if I hate it, I can sell it for more.

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    Re: Anyone rocking a 4 stroke?
    « Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 02:07:26 AM »
  •  All studded. Fox Float shocks.


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